I'm trying to answer these specifically for myself-and I can't, totally. But feel free to broaden out the philosophy in any responses.
1. Why do I not attend an exclusive John Mellencamp performance being staged for my company's corporate employees right outside the window of my office? Why was there never a doubt in my mind that I would not go? And I even kind of like John Mellencamp. I sort of am on the cusp of the answer to this one, but I'm not sure I could articulate it very well.
2. Why would embezzeling funds or ripping off a cash drawer (even for a paltry amount, like 50 cents) seem wrong, wrong, wrong, yet taking silverware home from the cafeteria or extra office paper is totally fine? This is actually the much tougher one to answer.
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1. Mostly because of a stubborn refusal to be part of 'their world'. This is not ethical in any real sense, just you protesting general corporate culture. This is in the same vein as calling people sell-outs based entirely on your perception of who they were and what they stood for.
2. Ethical to be sure. It isn't right. We justify it to ourselves because we put less value on the stuff than we do on actual cash. We also know someone is probably keeping track of the actual value of the money in a cash drawer, whereas no one is monitoring the paper or paperclips. They in fact, probably count on a certain amount of waste and theft.
OK-so that's the nuts & bolts behind it, but where do YOU fall on the spectrum?
1. I know you don't always see eye to eye with me on my "sell out" take, but would you go to the show, were to to work here?
2. Do you/would you rip off office supplies. I know for certain you would not rip off a cash drawer.
Instead of justifying it, maybe we should just not take things that don't belong to us. I have done my share of theft in the past, but I try hard not to take anything that is not mine. That includes little soaps from hotels. I know that I payed for them, but why waste them if I don't use them? I usually bring my own soap from home. Same for the shampoo.
Uh-oh. Someone's been listening to too much worship & praise music. Well, there's numerous reasons not to take the soap from hotels, but ethics are not one of them.
By the way, if you're all into bringing soap from home these days, it'd be nice to see you extend this habit for visits to your friends; at least until you can learn to rub soap on your hands THEN on your balls. The extraction of your thick, curly pubes from my soap every time you leave is not a task I would wish on Osama Bin Laden.
I take advantage of work materials all the time. I know it's not right, but I do it. I have no justification for it.
Not knowing what I was likely to endure at the show, it's hard to know whether I would go. If I knew I could find a decent spot where I wouldn't have to talk to corporate yahoos, I would probably check it out.
As far as Cory's comment, the hotel soap thing is utter nonsense. If you take soap from a hotel and just throw them away, you're an ass. If you take them and use them when visiting friends or otherwise travelling, what's the problem?
Also, has he packed up a big box of crap and returned it to Jbart? He didn't steal those things, but they were ill gotten. Although trips trapped in the back of the car and enduring naps may have been penance for that.
Are we seriously going down that road again? Bring my own soap to a friends house? Are you silly? I don't use your soap and I have not in MANY years. When I did, I used a wash cloth. Can't say there were no pubes on the cloth, but what can I say. Never used soap the last few times at your house.
No, we're not seriously going down that road again. 100% humorously.
I encourage the use of soap, at Dan's house and otherwise.
Back to the original point on #2, then Mix. You wouldn't steal from a cash drawer, but you take office supplies. They're both wrong, but is the only difference that in one you're less likely to get caught? I also don't think you'd steal money even if you knew, 100% chance you wouldn't get caught. Is there a difference that is just a social construct?
Like I said, I think the difference is entirely in the fact that money has a 'value' that may exceed its actual value.
Basically, we don't ascribe a monetary value to a ream of paper like we should, and we exaggerate the value of actual currency.
It goes beyond getting caught, since society would judge eacha ctivity based on the value it applied to the thing stolen. People stealing office supplies are generally regarded as just doing what everyone else does and it's sort of a joke. People stealing from petty cash are thieves.
Obviously there is a threshold that is easily crossed in the office supply arena. Excessive theft would be looked on harshly.
Hey, I was missing $10.00 from my wallet when I left Dan's house, and I thought that I just lost it. MIXDORF! :)
Mixdorf's giving us free reign to steal office paper & staples when we visit his house.
Once they enter my house they take on the value of frankincense and myrhh circa 1 CE.
Cory, that was $10 you should have given me out of the goodness of your heart.
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Okay, you got me on the xnbcibviusdu. Whatever the hell that means. :)
That was my word verification you douchebags.
I knew that. I was sympathizing.
Douchebag.
I'd rather be a douchebag than Sack.
I will give you 10 swift kicks in the ass out of the goodness of my heart! Bitch! :)
Just to clarify:
I never took money from the douchebag.
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